[john.p]

Everywhere you look everyone is saying the FT-4X will get a "small displacement four-cylinder engine" without further insight. Thinking in terms of small, new and adequate for this application, the 8NR-FTS 1.2T comes to mind.

Toyota has a couple more 4-cylinder engines but this is the smallest they get. What are your thoughts?

8NR-FTS 1.2T Specifications:

• Type Four cylinders in-line
• Valve mechanism 16-Valve DOHC,chain drive with VVT-iW (intake) and VVT-i (exhaust)
• Displacement (cc) 1,197
• Bore x stroke (mm) 71.5 x 74.5
• Compression ratio 10.0:1
• Max power (bhp/kW @ rpm) 114/85 @ 5,200 – 5,600
• Max torque (Nm @ rpm) 185 @ 1,500 – 4,000

 

[NY-TJ]

last I checked a 2 liter 4 cylinder engine is medium-sized, so that negates us getting the CH-R's engine. If true, i'm glad that's the case because people have been complaining about power.

185 torque coming in around 1,500-4000 will give this all the get up and go it needs.

 

[RoughDay]

Just realized that the unit of measure above is in Nm and not lb-ft in which case that translates to it coming with ~136 lb-ft of torque which is quite sad. The Civics 1.5T produces 177lb-ft @ 1900rpm and that's in a small sedan. Something like this will need more power in my opinion.

 

[NY-TJ]

Just realized that the unit of measure above is in Nm and not lb-ft in which case that translates to it coming with ~136 lb-ft of torque which is quite sad. The Civics 1.5T produces 177lb-ft @ 1900rpm and that's in a small sedan. Something like this will need more power in my opinion.

Looking at models this will compete with, Kia Soul being one of them, its easy to see how well this 1.2T works in a basemodel or even a trim above. Its a city car after all. Then there's the fact that we don't know what further changes Toyota has planned for it. For all we know it could be making 15% more power and torque in the TJ.

 

[RoughDay]

We don't even know if that's actually the engine they'll be using thankfully, so there may still be a chance of something else going in there. If it does make it to the ~150ish lb-ft area, then that would be sufficient.

Anything below that mark and I feel like it'll be lacking that performance. The Renegade provides 175lb-ft which is ideal I find.

 

[ToyoForLife]

What about the 2.5-Liter 4-Cylinder DOHC in the camry? That thing in the sedan is rated for 178 hp @ 6000 rpm and 170 lb-ft @ 4100 rpm, not too bad and maybe it can be tuned for more lower end torque?

 

[RoughDay]

That would be a lot more ideal than the engine mentioned above as it provides an adequate amount of power and through tuning just solely for shifting the power band, it'll be perfect. Would always love to have a turbo engine but hey, you can't always have what you want and the 2.5L NA motor sounds a lot more beneficial although it probably won't do as well in mpg.

 

[ToyoForLife]

I believe the 2017 Camry gets an estimated 24/33 mpg, not bad considering how beefy the sedan is. Could see something similar in the TJ Cruiser and I assume most people looking for weekend getaway car like it wouldn't look too closely at the fuel ratings. We can also look at what the 2018 Camry is going to be offered with.

 

[NY-TJ]

That displacement engine might be too big since 2.5L is about the biggest you can get with a 4-cylinder engine. This being a product built to last another 7-8 years its not what would be suitable. Smaller displacement with turbos to make up for the lack of displacement is what they'll do.

 

[RoughDay]

That is true indeed. Speaking of smaller displacement and turbos, a key thing to remember for longevity of these engines would be knowing the proper turbo etiquette. I've seen a lot of oem turbos get destroyed because dealerships just don't tell people on how they have to care for the engine operation.

 

[NY-TJ]

Ford was notorious for this, although the rise of EcoBoost engines seem good to us and to the environmental regulators, on the flip side, tech's are seeing a whole different story. Toyota has had time to learn from that so maybe we'll be better off here?

 

[ToyoForLife]

What was wrong with the EcoBoost engines? I assumed long term reliability would be on par with the average engine so long as people don't tune it for more power.

 

[RoughDay]

I think they had minor issues with the intercooler but it wasn't anything too serious at all. That's the only issue I can recall hearing about and I wouldn't even consider it much of an issue as the dealers rectified that real quick.

 

[ToyoForLife]

I assume we shouldn't see the same problem in whatever small displacement four-cylinder engine Toyota decides to use. Maybe by the time the TJ Cruiser comes out, they would have developed a new engine.

Or could they borrow something from their sibling brand Lexus?

 

[NY-TJ]

I assume we shouldn't see the same problem in whatever small displacement four-cylinder engine Toyota decides to use. Maybe by the time the TJ Cruiser comes out, they would have developed a new engine.

Or could they borrow something from their sibling brand Lexus?

Well the 8NR-FTS 1.2T is one of them and part of their whole effort to build global platforms and global vehicles. Get used to seeing engines like that since its what they can use across enough models you count with your fingers. In the automotive world that's a lot.

 

[HeliDriver]

I'll take the small diesel please, nice 8 speed trans one the side. Oh and hold the gas!!!


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[ToyoForLife]

If toyota does decide to go with a diesel option, we most likely won't see it in NA and it could be a Europe/Asia only model. Any specific diesel engine you're hoping to see?

 

[NY-TJ]

If toyota does decide to go with a diesel option, we most likely won't see it in NA and it could be a Europe/Asia only model. Any specific diesel engine you're hoping to see?

They might not even need to since if the CH-R can get up to 31mpg's while not running a diesel, then we might be out of luck. I think the CH-R is a better product for a diesel. Then there are all the regulatory things in the future Toyota might be factoring in.

 

[HeliDriver]

I know Toyota makes a few small diesels and not too sure why they haven't pushed them in the NA market, but they are falling behind in the NA diesel market. If you can get a Canyon with a diesel in it or a Cobalt, It's time for Toyota to break out into this market.

 

[NY-TJ]

I know Toyota makes a few small diesels and not too sure why they haven't pushed them in the NA market, but they are falling behind in the NA diesel market. If you can get a Canyon with a diesel in it or a Cobalt, It's time for Toyota to break out into this market.

It might have something to do with the next generation Tundra to give Toyota Diesels a good image before introducing it into smaller models? Not sure. The other thing is maybe they still see potential for more efficient gasoline engines in North America? Mazda has done it.