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Very true and it fits their motto which has been based around high volume products. Even as nice as the Renegade is I still see people skeptical about it. Doesn't help that it seems like a random move for Jeep (to me at least). But then again it comes at a time where Jeep is getting a lot of R&D time from FCA
I would never consider a Renegade because of poor reliability, but I would love something like it in a Toyota!
 

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Something like a Renegade built by Toyota is pretty much a dream come true for me. The Jeep car looks like it can handle most things you throw at it, but man are there problems with build quality and reliability. If Toyota comes out with their own similar vehicle, they could poach some Renegade owners and it's even better if it's priced perfectly.

I found this little tidbit.
“There is room on the lower end, in terms of price or authenticity, for an off-road, frame-based SUV.”
 

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Something like a Renegade built by Toyota is pretty much a dream come true for me. The Jeep car looks like it can handle most things you throw at it, but man are there problems with build quality and reliability. If Toyota comes out with their own similar vehicle, they could poach some Renegade owners and it's even better if it's priced perfectly.

I found this little tidbit.
Agree. However I just don't see a frame based vehicle being a priority right now. Too exclusive to a few vehicles when a TGNA platforn is so adaptable for any type of vehicle.

Toyota needs a "Renegade" first and soon!
 

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2018 Chicago Auto Show... new vehicle announcements?

At the Detroit Auto Show just past Toyota announced the new 2019 Avalon, which was great news for luxury sedan aficionados.

Will Toyota announce any new vehicles at next month's Chicago Auto Show?

At the 2017 Chicago show, Toyota announced the 2018 Rav4 Adventure trim package. So one can hope that Toyota will take the occasion of this year's Chicago Auto Show to reveal the all-new TNGA-based 2019 Rav4 revision. Of course, with the Rav4 Toyota's current best-selling vehicle, the company may hold off the TNGA Rav4 reveal a while longer to not dip 2018 sales too early.

As for the FT-4X, FT-AC and TJ Cruiser(?) concept vehicles, although Toyota lacks a CUV in its current lineup, I would be shocked if Toyota announces any of these as 2019 production vehicles.

What do you expect or hope to see from Toyota at the Chicago Auto Show Feb 10-19?
 

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At the Detroit Auto Show just past Toyota announced the new 2019 Avalon, which was great news for luxury sedan aficionados.

Will Toyota announce any new vehicles at next month's Chicago Auto Show?

At the 2017 Chicago show, Toyota announced the 2018 Rav4 Adventure trim package. So one can hope that Toyota will take the occasion of this year's Chicago Auto Show to reveal the all-new TNGA-based 2019 Rav4 revision. Of course, with the Rav4 Toyota's current best-selling vehicle, the company may hold off the TNGA Rav4 reveal a while longer to not dip 2018 sales too early.

As for the FT-4X, FT-AC and TJ Cruiser(?) concept vehicles, although Toyota lacks a CUV in its current lineup, I would be shocked if Toyota announces any of these as 2019 production vehicles.

What do you expect or hope to see from Toyota at the Chicago Auto Show Feb 10-19?
The FT-AC is scheduled to be on display there. I think they will have an interior for it then.

I think it is too soon for any announcements on production of any new crossover/SUV model.
 

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I would never consider a Renegade because of poor reliability, but I would love something like it in a Toyota!
You have a point and its probably why we're all here anyways otherwise we would be behind Renegades and not talking about this TJ.
Too bad that Nissan and other Japanese car makers haven't been launching similar models like they used to decades ago.
 

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I mean that looks like a Tundra, Tacoma and 4Runner to me, but who knows. None of them really have the crazy styling of the concepts we've seen. But who knows what other vehicles are lurking off screen. And to be honest, aside from the reliability and build quality concerns of the Renegade, its just flat out ugly. I love its size and capability off road, but I cant get past those awful X tail light designs aha.
 

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At worst I hope FT-AC was just some design philosophy we finally got to see. Sharing that design slightly with the new Rav4, a next generation 4runner and then in full with a FJ and TJ is really the way to go.
 

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At worst I hope FT-AC was just some design philosophy we finally got to see. Sharing that design slightly with the new Rav4, a next generation 4runner and then in full with a FJ and TJ is really the way to go.
I studied all the bumps and grooves around the disguised vehicle and it IS the FT-AC that will be the next RAV4. Toyota was just creating buzz about it being a concept. It was the RAV4 all along.

Now that that is settled, it is time for a sub-compact CUV to come forward. C'mon TJ !
 

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I don't think the interior of the TJ concept will survive the transition to production process. As cool and unique as it is, there are far to many moving parts and pieces. And if the FT-AC is the new Rav4 I'm all about it. I guess that makes sense as they referred to it several times as a baby 4Runner. It'll be interesting to see out of the two concepts, which is more the off road warrior.
 

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It's the FT-AC? That's perfect because it's suppose to be the hardier concept out of the two when it come to off road handling, so it's what I would prefer, though that TJ interior is mighty appealing and very unique.
Yep......FT-AC = RAV4.

However, the concept is probably the toughest version (probably called "Adventure") and more "normal" de-trimmed levels will also be on sale. Basically all the levels we have in 2018. All levels will have the same basic styling, of course. Expect to pay something like $27,700 for the Adventure, which is the current price for this model.

As for me, I am wanting the H-RV / Renegade class of vehicle. :wink:
 

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I wonder what this is about? Sounds like more than just the presence of the FT-AC in Chicago. Will it be the announcement that the FT-AC is the new RAV4?

New Toyota Off-Road Rigs Ready to Rock the Windy City | Toyota

Teaser photo looks like conventional existing vehicles.

The excitement builds!
Here is more on the teaser from Toyota......

https://www.autoevolution.com/news/...d-ahead-of-2018-chicago-auto-show-122969.html

I hope this statement from the article is accurate....

"Also in the pipeline is an indirect successor to the FJ Cruiser. Toyota took the decision to offer a retro-style crossover for the adventure-focused customer after the FT-4X received lots of thumbs up at the 2017 NYIAS."
 

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That sounds very hopeful because if they didn't mention the FT-4X, I would have assumed they were referring to the Rav4. But by claiming it's successor to the FJ Cruiser then I can only assume it'll be based off the FT-4X. To me, this is pretty much the green light I've been hoping for.
 

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Not surprising to hear that the FT-4X is the next generation of the FJ cruiser. Those trucks are extremely difficult to find as most people have held on to theirs. I have a good feeling this redesign will attract a lot of new buyers, suppose its a matter of time before we see what's changed in the production model .
 

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Here is more on the teaser from Toyota......

https://www.autoevolution.com/news/...d-ahead-of-2018-chicago-auto-show-122969.html

I hope this statement from the article is accurate....

"Also in the pipeline is an indirect successor to the FJ Cruiser. Toyota took the decision to offer a retro-style crossover for the adventure-focused customer after the FT-4X received lots of thumbs up at the 2017 NYIAS."
That sounds very hopeful because if they didn't mention the FT-4X, I would have assumed they were referring to the Rav4. But by claiming it's successor to the FJ Cruiser then I can only assume it'll be based off the FT-4X. To me, this is pretty much the green light I've been hoping for.
Not surprising to hear that the FT-4X is the next generation of the FJ cruiser. Those trucks are extremely difficult to find as most people have held on to theirs. I have a good feeling this redesign will attract a lot of new buyers, suppose its a matter of time before we see what's changed in the production model .
Assuming the article I quoted is accurate , of course. Even direct quotes from Toyota don't always tell the full story.
For example Hollis spoke of the FT-AC as a new model, when all along it was decided to be the next RAV4 before any shows.

I still think the FT-4X is the biggest question mark to me. I hope it is something like what we get in the US. I am pretty certain Europe and Asia will see the TJ Cruiser. Van-like vehicles are very popular there.

FT-4X looks closer to US tastes. New York is coming up March 30th which will make it a year since it was unveiled in New York. Wonder if we will get some solid information then.
 

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Some publication out there needs to get a Toyota exec in for an interview, I have noticed with those we can get some slight hint at what's to come or at least what they're willing to bring to market vs some alternative.
 
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