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Including Lexus since it's under the Toyota umbrella as well.

Hello everyone, I've always driven Toyota vehicles aside from my first car which was a Ford. That was a nightmare with plenty of repair bills. After switching to Toyota, I can't imagine driving anything else and the TJ Cruiser would be the perfect vehicle for me if if moves past the concept stage.

Sure there are other off-road friendly crossovers, but they won't have the same reliability I'm used to with the Toyota brand.
 

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Just don't expect the sort of ruggedness that the FJ's have in this TJ. But the rest of what people say Toyota is should be here. Just make sure you do enough research on it because being a new platform an overall a new product... all you expect and hoped for could fall apart.
 

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There's still much to see and much to change before anyone can really make a decision on it and I think everyone knows that. This could either be everything we want in a smaller package or something we really don't want at the end of it.

Which Toyota are you currently driving?
 

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Been a Toyota fan most of my life as well.

This crossover needs some tweaking but has some potential. Feels very futuristic from a 70's and 80's point of view, may have just dated myself there but hey we all have to be from one generation or another!!

I'm not WOWED yet but as this concept evolves it may grow on me some more.
 

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If the TJ ever goes into production, I'm sure Toyota will tone it down to a design that's more palatable for the general buyer, though I am a fan of the concept model too. There's a lot of potential even if they do away with a lot of those fancy interior features like water bottle handles.
It'll probably take after the 4-runner in terms of grille design.
 

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Been a Toyota fan most of my life as well.

This crossover needs some tweaking but has some potential. Feels very futuristic from a 70's and 80's point of view, may have just dated myself there but hey we all have to be from one generation or another!!

I'm not WOWED yet but as this concept evolves it may grow on me some more.
For me it just needs more retro styling. FJ was the perfect example of something modern that still held retro characteristic's.

Even with how boxy the TJ is, there's still a lot of room left for going that direction.
 

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If some of the new models that are coming out has taught me anything, is that retro is coming back when applied to more rugged models. Something a bit angular like the FJ would do very well and appeal to the newer generation of car buyers who likes the quirky looks.
 

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If some of the new models that are coming out has taught me anything, is that retro is coming back when applied to more rugged models. Something a bit angular like the FJ would do very well and appeal to the newer generation of car buyers who likes the quirky looks.
Actually the TJ is more of something for the younger generations if you really look at it. Its typically the older millennials driving FJ's and Wranglers, then younger millennials and gen x'ers in Kia Soul's and Jeep Renegades.... its what I see on the street every day.
 

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The new millennials who are buying their first or second car is the demographic I was referring to. They're the ones who are leasing or financing a lot of cars these days, though that does tend to drive down resale value. Not something that particularly concerns me with how long I tend to keep cars.

There are those buyers, and then there are people like me who wants something more rugged without going full off-road gas guzzling like the Wrangler.
 

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Actually the TJ is more of something for the younger generations if you really look at it. Its typically the older millennials driving FJ's and Wranglers, then younger millennials and gen x'ers in Kia Soul's and Jeep Renegades.... its what I see on the street every day.

Yikes!!! I know I fit in there somewhere!!!!
In my neck of the woods you will have to swap those and put the older millennials and the gen x'ers in the more capable FJ's and Wranglers just because we tend to be more adventurous. You can't unplug the younger ones long enough to get them into an adventure that doesn't involve their faces planted in a device of some kind. Trust me the TJ appeals to us old farts as well.


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As an older millennial, I do think those younger than me needs to unplug from their devices more often but it'll be an uphill battle for manufacturers. Maybe appeal to their hipster side and their incessant need to post selfies of their adventures. :p
 

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Yikes!!! I know I fit in there somewhere!!!!
In my neck of the woods you will have to swap those and put the older millennials and the gen x'ers in the more capable FJ's and Wranglers just because we tend to be more adventurous. You can't unplug the younger ones long enough to get them into an adventure that doesn't involve their faces planted in a device of some kind. Trust me the TJ appeals to us old farts as well.


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Lucky for some of us that are more traditional, there should also be a great divide in who buys certain trims, so a TRD trim for example would bring us a step closer to something more FJ like if you know what I mean.
 

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Outside of us old farts, there'll be plenty of younger buyers too if you look at the FJ Cruiser demographic. A large majority of them are in their 30s, followed by those in their 40s and 50s, but there's still a sizeable group of owners in their 20s. There's even quite a few owners in their teens.

The FJ Cruiser was just that appealing to a wide range of buyers and the TJ Cruiser will no doubt interest the same groups too.
 

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Outside of us old farts, there'll be plenty of younger buyers too if you look at the FJ Cruiser demographic. A large majority of them are in their 30s, followed by those in their 40s and 50s, but there's still a sizeable group of owners in their 20s. There's even quite a few owners in their teens.

The FJ Cruiser was just that appealing to a wide range of buyers and the TJ Cruiser will no doubt interest the same groups too.
It might turn out better than what we expect since the segment doesn't have any products people are widely confident in . Yeah there's the Soul and Renegade but often people shy away from them i noticed. Once people hear Toyota they often have no complaints.
 

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It might turn out better than what we expect since the segment doesn't have any products people are widely confident in . Yeah there's the Soul and Renegade but often people shy away from them i noticed. Once people hear Toyota they often have no complaints.
I wouldn't say people shy away from the Renegade at all if you look at the sales figures for it.

The Jeep Renegade is the most popular subcompact crossover vehicle for 2016. Jeep sold 106,606 Renegades in 2016, which was the highest subcompact crossover sales among its competitors, sales figures showed.
The Jeep Renegade is officially a hit as it tops subcompact crossovers sales for 2016 [News] - The Fast Lane Car

People were swarming to them in the segment.
 

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Jeep models aren't exactly know for reliability and they're trying to change that about their brand, whereas toyota has always been know to build cars that will last for years without any major problems. Both Toyota and their subsidy, Lexus, are usually at the top of car reliability lists if I recall correctly.
 

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Now that is definitely correct, Toyota and Lexus top the charts for Consumer Reports and JD Power both which we know are publications that people look towards for information like this. Worth mentioning Jeep is among the bottom dwellers which is disappointing to see.
 

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I think Jeep stands for Just Empty Every Pocket!!!! 👍😎
 

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That's pretty much what it boiled down to the last time I visited a Jeep Renegade site. So many problems that needed to be fixed. :surprise: Factory warranty only lasts so long before more problems crop up. Think there was a leaky roof problem too. No thanks! Cars are expensive enough without huge repair bills.
 

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I didn't even know about the leaky roof problem, that's a serious red-flag to me. Water seeping in = mould at some point and bits and pieces getting damaged over time.
 
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