[john.p]

Glad to see someone started a community on the new TJ!

Was never intending to buy a new vehicle and retire my Kia Soul but after seeing the FT-4X concept and having an idea of what a production version would be like, I had to search for more, and now i'm here.

Probably the one point that sold me on it was this quote:

Recently, Toyota showed us the FT-4X Concept, a compact crossover that is meant for urban adventures, not the rock-filled Moab runs that Toyota’s FJ Cruiser was built to tackle. Toyota wants to cash in on the crossover boom and this would be the brand’s second offering in the compact crossover segment, joining the C-HR. In comparison, the TJ Cruiser would offer a little more off-road capability and more usable space while being nearly the same size.

 

[NY-TJ]

nice sum up but its still vague, some people might not understand after that what Toyota means

what this product boils down to is being a baby FJ and some people even say this replaces the FJ

 

[RoughDay]

How long have you had the Soul for??

I would definitely go more with the baby FJ opposed to FJ replacement though as it just won't stack up to that.

The description there is vague but it generally gets a good enough point across. Especially to those that are under the impression that the TJ is supposed to be an off-road machine, by letting them know it isn't going to be a Moab tackling vehicle, it'll put those thoughts to rest.

 

[HeliDriver]

nice sum up but its still vague, some people might not understand after that what Toyota means

what this product boils down to is being a baby FJ and some people even say this replaces the FJ

Maybe in partial namesake and modest off-road capabilities, baby FJ might fit. But replacement, wrong class all together.

Never driven a Kia Soul or even know what they are capable of, but I'm pretty sure as far as off-road goes it's not going to get me where I want to go.

I like that Toyota is offering the TJ as off road capable, and to folks that are looking for something that gets them in and out of urban environments this crossover will fit in perfectly. Even on terrain that is in the medium category the TJ will be well suited but not much beyond that. The crossover market doesn't have anything in it like the TJ and is perfect for those that wish their standard crossover would take them just a little further up the trail.

 

[ToyoForLife]

Aside from its off-road capabilities, as an urban car the TJ Cruiser will need to have pretty good city fuel economy ratings because that stop and go traffic is where most of the fuel will be eaten up. What's kind of fuel ratings is everyone hoping to see?

 

[RoughDay]

Todays regular standard of say 30mpg to be generalized is good enough. These days vehicles are so fuel sipping it's crazy compared to where we were before and if it's a small 4-cylinder engine, you can guarantee that it'll have great fuel ratings.

 

[HeliDriver]

I would like to see the high 40's or even into the 50's, but sadly we just don't have the technology to get us there yet with standard fuel. If you consider that the early Fords around 100 years ago were getting an average of 22mpg, then I don't think we have come all that far. Those cars were pretty heavy and had the aerodynamic properties of a brick, imagine where we would be for mileage if they had just a small portion of the tools and technology we have to achieve 30mpg. However I don't think it's just the technology holding us back, I think the fuel has changed considerably over that time as well. We might have to face the fact that there is an absolute limit to today's standard fuel no matter how you approach it or try to design around it.



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[NY-TJ]

I would like to see the high 40's or even into the 50's, but sadly we just don't have the technology to get us there yet with standard fuel. If you consider that the early Fords around 100 years ago were getting an average of 22mpg, then I don't think we have come all that far. Those cars were pretty heavy and had the aerodynamic properties of a brick, imagine where we would be for mileage if they had just a small portion of the tools and technology we have to achieve 30mpg. However I don't think it's just the technology holding us back, I think the fuel has changed considerably over that time as well. We might have to face the fact that there is an absolute limit to today's standard fuel no matter how you approach it or try to design around it.



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Its one reason why I love Mazda right now, I would like them even more if they'd compete with the TJ. Maybe if they see the TJ selling well, a Mazda rival might be in order. If that's the case..... 40+ MPG's easily

In addition to providing quick acceleration and a sporty feel, the 2016 Mazda 3 is rated at 41 MPG

 

[RoughDay]

The Mazda 3 according to manufacturer apparently has a combined 33mpg, highway 40mpg and city 31mpg. Drivers reporting 33-35mpg average which really isn't that bad at all.

Right now, best combined mpg for 2017 vehicles that ARE NOT hybrid or EV is 35mpg out of a Smart Fortwo, Yaris iA, Fiesta SFE. Those all have real tiny engines though with the Yaris iA being the biggest at 1.5L

 

[NY-TJ]

The Mazda 3 according to manufacturer apparently has a combined 33mpg, highway 40mpg and city 31mpg. Drivers reporting 33-35mpg average which really isn't that bad at all.

Right now, best combined mpg for 2017 vehicles that ARE NOT hybrid or EV is 35mpg out of a Smart Fortwo, Yaris iA, Fiesta SFE. Those all have real tiny engines though with the Yaris iA being the biggest at 1.5L

TJ being a new vehicle, and in a small segment might mean that we could be seeing impressive MPG numbers. Renegade gets 37MPG highway, that's Toyota's number to meet or beat. 40MPG would put them in the spotlight.

 

[RoughDay]

Without a doubt it'll be an impressive number and something we'll all love. MPG is the going thing, been the going thing for a while, so I'm sure they won't under deliver on it. Anywhere in the 30+ range and I'll be content though, I have a bit of a heavy foot so you can imagine how much my average mpg will fluctuate

 

[ToyoForLife]

Just to get something in the 40s and 50s, we're looking at a hybrid of some kind. Not that I'd be adverse to the idea since they generally do have pretty great torque. But a more realistic number by the time the TJ Cruiser comes out is probably in the mid 30s mpg. 30 mpg for city driving would be good enough for me.

 

[Backup]

I'd like a hybrid option for the TJ Cruiser. Maybe it won't be as powerful as the gas powered versions, but I don't need amazing performance and I'd rather take better fuel economy. Looking at a similarly sized vehicle from Toyota, the hybrid Rav4 can get 27/34/30 mpg in the AWD version. That's pretty good isn't it?

 

[NY-TJ]

I'd like a hybrid option for the TJ Cruiser. Maybe it won't be as powerful as the gas powered versions, but I don't need amazing performance and I'd rather take better fuel economy. Looking at a similarly sized vehicle from Toyota, the hybrid Rav4 can get 27/34/30 mpg in the AWD version. That's pretty good isn't it?

Me too but they should put off hybrid for as long as possible. We need for fuel efficient gasoline engines. Follow Mazda's lead and it will last them till the end of the TJ's generation.

 

[ToyoForLife]

Can't recall where I read this, but gas engines still has a lot of development potential when it comes to power and fuel economy whereas diesel if pretty much as good as it's going to get. Toyota is already known for relatively good fuel economy in their gas cars along with reliability, so they may already be working on more fuel efficient small petrol engines.

 

[NY-TJ]

Can't recall where I read this, but gas engines still has a lot of development potential when it comes to power and fuel economy whereas diesel if pretty much as good as it's going to get. Toyota is already known for relatively good fuel economy in their gas cars along with reliability, so they may already be working on more fuel efficient small petrol engines.

don't need to read it anywhere all we have to do is look at models out right now that are getting MPG's into the high 30's which 5+ years ago was unheard of.

mazda's skyactiv engines and Ford's new 1.0L found in the fiesta are great examples of this.

 

[Backup]

Me too but they should put off hybrid for as long as possible. We need for fuel efficient gasoline engines. Follow Mazda's lead and it will last them till the end of the TJ's generation.

With any luck, it'll last longer than the FJ's four year run. If they can produce more fuel efficient gasoline engines that matches what the hybrids can deliver, then I'm all for it and we can save on weight considering how much an extra motor and battery would tack on.

 

[NY-TJ]

With any luck, it'll last longer than the FJ's four year run. If they can produce more fuel efficient gasoline engines that matches what the hybrids can deliver, then I'm all for it and we can save on weight considering how much an extra motor and battery would tack on.

I'm almost 100% sure this will be a 8-10 year generation run. I know a good Toyota product when I see it and they typically last that long till Toyota brings out a new generation.

TJ targets a much larger crowd than the FJ and at the same time can still appeal to those FJ guys.

 

[Backup]

Toyota really does need a bit more variety in their lineup and they've already moved towards that direction with the new C-HR. Now they just need something to fill the FJ void and it'll be perfect. Maybe it'll last as long as the Rav-4 badge so long as the proceeding generations gets better and better.

 

[NY-TJ]

Toyota really does need a bit more variety in their lineup and they've already moved towards that direction with the new C-HR. Now they just need something to fill the FJ void and it'll be perfect. Maybe it'll last as long as the Rav-4 badge so long as the proceeding generations gets better and better.

Agree. Highlander and everything above are solid product and have proven themselves over the years, now they need to give the CH-R and TJ similar levels of attention.

If they get serious about launching a TRD version, it should do a lot of good for the rest of CH-R trims: